Produced in 1961. I worked in two gun shops when I was in college. Guns.com is built to be simple easily organized products, useful descriptions from experts, and support to guide you to the right choice. Item . The earliest gun they found with a 2-pin rib has a serial number of 2037xx with a date of June 30th, 1919. In those good old days of the 1960s the ducks flew just above the cattails and shots were plentiful. Charles Askins commented on the new Model 12 duck gun in the March 1936 issue of Outdoor Life: This should be the best long-range repeating shotgun now made or that has been made. No faint praise, but hardly a surprise. Writing in the March 1927 issue of the American Rifleman, Askins reports that his Remington Model 10 12-gauge pump averaged 89% of 1 1/4-ounces of shot in a 3-inch circle at 40 yards. The Olins soon added to the attractiveness of the Model 12 duck gun by bringing out a new 1 5/8-ounce load for the 3-inch shell. Winchester Model 12 in 16 ga with a 26" barrel with a full choke. service to the online gun buying experience that is unheard of. A red rubber Winchesterre coil pad was added the first year of production. The slide handle was enlarged in about 1956 to a slightly extended beaver tail shape with 14 circular grooves. Fanciers of long-range shotguns now had a 12-gauge repeater shooting a 10-gauge shot load. The 30" vent rib barrel is very good with a bright shiny bo, This Winchester Model 12 in 12 Gauge is in good condition with moderate wear to the wood surfaces and light thinning of the bluing on the barrel. Winchester sent some M-12s to Simmons to have ribs installed, Simmons returned them to Win. The Nylon 66, a relatively inexpensive rimfire with faux woodgrain, was the first successful synthetic-stock firearm. It has a fiber optic front sight which is not origina, SOLD Ser no 1949422, Mfg 1962, 3-Pin Vent Rib, Full, 30" Barrel, Signed by M Dubber, Who I beleive was a colt engraver, 14 1/2" Lop to Winchester Red Vented Pad, Comes with case, Excel, Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga 2 3/4" 28" full choke barrel,Simmons vent rib,serial #683559,fancy French Walnut checkered stocks with great color and figure,jeweled bolt and lifter,ex, WINCHESTER MODEL 12 HEAVY DUCK 12GA 3" MAGNUM. Winchester Model 1300 Speed Pump - 12 GA $395.00: 0 $395.00 5d 15h 14m Johnson, at once one of the great gun designers and one of the least known, produced a steady flow of new firearm designs for Winchester. prior written consent of the Copyright holder. It is, somehow, not easy to avoid shoving shells wrong end first into ones gun. Also, the rib and its receiver extension cover the Winchester proof marks, a sure sign that it is not factory installed. The Model 21 double seemed the reasonable choice for Winchesters duck gun. It has a Simmons rib, which is not out of the question for Winchester to have used according to Maddis in his book of the model 12's. The metal finish is superior to a field grade gun, higher polish and a matted receiver top and magazine tube. 31 12 ga. pump shotgun w/ Simmons ventilated rib - walnut checkered stock & forearm - & 30" The Model 12 shotgun, initially the Model 1912, hit the market in August 1912. community. I would think if you did shoot you proble flinch like heck becouse ther must be a lot of jerk in you. Houze relates that for the Model 12 the Watrous report suggested improve the smoothness of the action as it is criticized for being rough. How this was to be accomplished is not related but closer hand-fitting and gauging of parts was likely. at the best online prices at eBay! 1938 lists the stock for a 12 gauge skeet grade as 14" with a Buttplate. The Model 21 received duck gun status in 1940, although 3-inch chambers could be ordered earlier. He is engraving the old (Ulrich big duck 12-5 pattern) on it. Spend your time enjoying the gun you want, not getting frustrated with a complex website that makes gun buying hard. The solid rib gun shows carrying wear while the ventilated rib gun was refinished when the rib was installed. Chamber marked 2 3/4", choke marked full, and 14" LOP. the ventilated rib is by simmons gin works. 12 Gauge, This is a very nice Winchester Model 12 Trap pump action shotgun in 12 gauge. M, ventilated rib, mid 1950's manufacture, completely original, only one ever produced by Winchester, ultimate rarity for the Model 12 co, 12ga, #1737096, standard gun that has been restocked and has a Simmons ventilated rib added, 12ga, 30 inch barrel, full choke, 2 3/4 inch chamber, 14 3/4 inch LOP with "Decelerator" pad, blu, Winchester Model 12 - 20ga - 26 - Improved Cylinder- NIB - UNFIRED - SN: MT0162 - AS NEW with high figured wood, Winchester Model 12 28 gauge Skeet solid rib. The barrels and receivers of Model 12 duck guns are made from Winchester Proof Steel. This steel was first used in the Model 21 double introduced in 1931. Charles Askins may have influenced the decision. another state. My gun is a pump action Model 12 shotgun with a grooved slide handle (forearm). The standard length was 2-5/8 inches. Winchester Model 12 Skeet Gun 12 gauge with 25" Solid Rib Barrel - 12 GA: 0 5d 7h 6m 17240921. That is why I have never used one of my duck guns for duck hunting. Each fired target was turned over and a 30-inch cardboard disc placed to cover the maximum number for pellet holes. It also got a new action slide. Along in the 1920s a few bold souls had long-chambered [3-inch], overbored, long-barreled, and heavy, long range 12-gauge Magnum double guns built. "Metal parts of the Model 12 are machined from chrome-molybdenum, the toughest, longest wearing and finest gun steel known." Barrel lengths were 30 or 32 inches, but 32-inch barrels were discontinued in 1948. Pandemonium! Guns.com's selection won't leave you feeling unprepared. I also have seen a few in my day where the solid rib was removed and actually sent a customers Black Diamond to Simmons back in the seventies to put a vent rib on a solid rib gun. The straighter stock reduced perceived recoil. Delivery times may vary, especially during peak periods. I found some they didn't. This is a 12 GA pump shotgun manufactured in 1950. Ernie special order model 12's from Winchester to add his Dounut Vent Rib. Something went wrong. - Top Rated Plus - opens in a new window or tab, - eBay Money Back Guarantee - opens in a new window or tab. It is at my engraver now. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. Must be shipped to an FFL, New price, Listed is a like new Winchester DU, Model-12, 12 Ga Pump Shotgun. Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga Deluxe GI#: 102228842 Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga 2 3/4" 28" full choke barrel,Simmons vent rib,serial #683559,fancy French Walnut checkered stocks with great color and figure,jeweled bolt and lifter,ex .Click for more info Seller: First Stop Gun Area Code: 605 $1,750.00 Olin included his new Super-X magnum 3-inch shells loaded with 1 3/8 ounces of shot. Pattern percentages were around 70% with these latter loads. , Winchester - Model 12, Deluxe, Pump Action, RARE 28ga. The duck guns reputation was made with the one and five-eighths ounce load, the heaviest 12 magnum load from about 1935 to the mid-1950s. Winchester Model 12 with checkered forearm (slide handle) b'. Will Winchester ever build the Model 12 again? Note: The posting of Copyrighted material on this forum is prohibited without Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. I have a donut post trap gun but not a pigeon, had two 3 inch guns, one had donut post the other had a round post. Introduced in 20 gauge in 1912, 16 and 12 gauge guns followed in 1914. Field grade pump gun with Mod choke barrel. Although acquired many years apart, the two duck guns are of nearly the same vintages, 1952 and 1953. For example, only about 300 Super Fox and 800 of the Ithaca Magnum 10 doubles went into hunters hands during the period. Nickel and ivory sight beads on the aftermarket Simmons rib, with choke marked full and 2 3/4 inch chamber. Also, it was the only 1 3/8-ounce magnum load available. MAKE OFFER. Full choke was the only standard boring available. DAC 1 1/2"&n, FRO YOUR VIEWING IS A EXCEPTIONALY NICE MODEL 12 IN 3' HEAVY DUCK. Not sure how many of you know this, but the rib has a serial number stamped on the underside of them with the same number stamped on the underside of the barrel. This likely was the last mention of solid ribs in Winchester literature. The duck gun was discontinued in 1963. K-Mart Classics: Remingtons Nylon Rimfires Engineered To Last. Thus it was that the American Rifleman staff thought it odd that Winchester brought out the 3-inch chamber in their Model 12 pump gun. Free shipping for many products! Its been debated over the years if the solid rib model 12 barrel were silver brazed or fused with heat? McIntosh notes that the Super-X shotshell was a breakthrough to the modern age of shotgun ammunition. In a full-page ad in the September 1926 issue of the American Rifleman, Western claimed Killing power 15 to 20 yards beyond the effective range of ordinary loads.This was based on a documented reduction in stringing of the shot charge, from about 20 feet to about 4 feet, at 42 yards. Curious, I fired five additional patterns at 60 yards with Model 12 number 1418XXX and the Winchester load of 1 5/8-ounces of #4 shot. WARNING! The pidgeon-grade duck gun was discontinued in 1961. Nash Buckingham was one of the great duck-hunting writers of the period. The rib wasn't offered until 1954 according to the Dave Riffle Model 12 book so it wasn't originally produced at the Winchester Factory. Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. Options for the Model 12 duck gun were reduced over the years, particularly following World War II. Lot 6593: Winchester Model 42 Slide Action Shotgun . FORE ARM HAS A PEICE OF WOOD MI, This is an all original 1962 made Winchester Model 12 in the harder to find 16 Gauge. Model 42s with donut post ribs, no Simmons markings, proof marks in the right places, in the proper serial number range, are considered to have been made to completion in the Winchester factory. Buttstocks of duck guns had lead slugs inserted into the wood beneath the recoil pad. In fact, Madis states Any twelve gauge Model Twelve could be re-chambered and reworked to shoot three inch shells for a small additional charge[by Winchester], yet few guns were reworked in this way. I can find no external differences in receiver dimensions, other than the ejection port, between standard and magnum versions. However, Winchester and his succeeding family members successfully managed Winchester Repeating Arms Company from 1866 to 1919. My 1951 Winchester Ammunition Handbook gives a comparison of 17 to 11 feet at 60 yards. Their attitude is summed up by Elmer Keith in Shotguns by Keith: the satisfaction of seeing big ducks crumple at long range and come down and bounce on the ground or splash high in the water is the cream of shotgun shooting., It is my view that the long-range duck-hunting cult was a legacy from the days of market hunting. It has the long action slide handle. You are also correct that the different rib styles used on Model 12's can get confusing..EG. One of my favorite subjectsI've read and reread the books by Madis, Riffle, and Stadt, and I still find it a little confusing. Although the quality of the rib will be the same as the original Winchester, the only way a Simmons rib looks OK on a Model 12 is if they DON'T put their silly name down the side of the rib. Solid rib model 12 made in 1954. A smothered roar from around the corner! would buy from again without hesitation, Smith & Wesson S&W Vintage Screwdriver 8 Row Knurled Handle used (#234907824646), Remington 700 stamped metal Magazine Follower .222 .223 .17 used nice (#334728927905). H. Lea Lawrence relates in his 2001 GUN DIGEST article, The Saga of Bo Whoop, that in 1921 John Olin sent Buckingham his personal heavy double, a custom-choked Super Fox, for testing. I sold 41 model 12's and 21's at a gun auction in Wichita Kansas to accommodate the move. organized, dont tell you a lot about what youre buying, and leave you on your The late style stock featured a flared pistol grip moved back a bit from the trigger. He was the chief designer of the Model 21 double, John Olins favorite. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! View cart for details. JavaScript is disabled. These are rare, a line can be seen along the dounut post on both sides. My favorite 2 pins were Trap Guns made between 1957-1959 including special order Pigeon grades; fit, finish and blueing was best in those later years. Some will even go 85% to 90%, but rarely. Keith, who obtained Askins Ithaca 10 magnum double upon Askins death, achieved 93% patterns with two ounces of copper-plated#3 shot in the big double. Simmons vent rib installed. This shotg, FOR SALE IS A VERY NICE VINTAGE WINCHESTER MODEL 12, 12GA GA SHOTGUN. Free shipping for many products! The load averaged 67.5% (range 62-72.5%), in a 30-inch circle at 40 yards. The short shot string put more shot into a duck whistling by at 50 yards. Winchester proof steel replaced nickel steel in the manufacture of all Winchester firearms in the early 1930s. very accurate description and fast delivery, HOCH Reloading Single Cavity Mold c56 309170 .309 170gr nose pour NICE (#334593408927), Arrived quickly, well packaged, item is as described. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Its been debated over the years if the solid rib model 12 barrel were silver brazed or fused with heat? Exc Orig Condition, Winchester Model 12 28-gauge, factory original, WINCHESTER MODEL 12 LIMITED EDITION 20GA. SAME RECEIVER AS MODEL 12 BUT MAD, Guns Listing ID: 640773MAKE - WINCHESTERMODEL - 12FINISH - BLUEDBARREL - 28\"CALIBER - 12 GAUGECAPACITY - N/AGRIPS - WOODCONDITION - VERY GOODFEATURES - HYDRACOIL STOCK & MODIFIED BARREL, Winchester Model 1912 Nickel Steel 20 gauge EARLY Serial # Up for sale is a used Winchester Model 1912 Nickel Steel 20 ga, 2 3/4" chamber, 24" VR barrel stamped full but reads IM on a bra, Winchester - Model 12 Factory Try-Gun, 12ga. Keith stated in 1967: The old 70% standard is now obsolete and most any full choke gun will go 75% or better. It is first shooting light. This combination, which averaged 83.6% at 40 yards, averaged 44.2% at 60 yards! Charles Askins was the leading expert on shotguns in the first half of the last century. The Gun and the Times The Model 12 duck gun examined by the staff of the American Rifleman in 1936 was the earliest version. Charles Askins provides data for the patterning of several of his personal shotguns with Westerns Super X shells loaded with their new #4 copper-plated shot. I was in Jr college then. The marsh is in riot! Featured Gun Classifieds Winchester Shotguns - Model 12, Winchester Model 12 - 20ga - 26 - Improved Cylinder- NIB - UNFIRED - SN: MT0162 - AS NEW with high figured wood - 2 3/4" Shells note: particles/dust can be seen in the photo, In very good condition. *** RARE *** Winchester Model 12 HEAVY DUCK GUN limited production run that combines the pre-64 Model 12 with a 12 ga. Magnum 30" barrel, factory production 3" Magnum, with a factory Simmons Vent Rib on an upgraded wood stock! No Reserve. His handload was a .heavy load of Herco powder and 2 ounces of shot, either 2s or 4s. THE SHOTGUN HAS A 30' PLAIN BARREL AND IS FULL CHOKE. Severe drought conditions gripped the United States and Canada during the 1930s. Mfg 1917, 25" Barrel, Mod, Correct Forend and Buttstock, Small chip out of toe of butt plate, Wood is not damaged, Good Bore, Pictures show condition, Buyer pays 50.00 shipping Pa residents add 6, This Winchester Model 12 is a post 1972 gun with a "Y' prefix serial number. Winchester was bankrupt and went into receivership in January 1931. Winchester Model 12 1940's gun. Most annoying was the failure of the action-slide lock to function properly. Bore is excellent. so recall pads helped and they offerd hydro coil-stocks. It is possible for the slide lock to fail to unlock the action during recoil. These ribs have Simmons markings. An offset proof mark will boost the value compared to an aftermarket rib. The stock has a hard-rubber plate and a real, full pistol grip carved close to the guard. the store. Chamber marked 3", choke marked full, and 14 1/2" LOP. John Olin wanted a new 3-inch .410 shotshell with 3/4-ounce of shot for Winchesters new Model 42. Featherweight: same as above; lightweight alloy trigger guard. Another sign of an after factory rib were the numer of 30" Full field guns later ribbed either with Simmons or MoneyMaker ventilated ribs, but the top milled groove in the receiver was a dead-give-away as to that, and when the Model 12 ruled the ATA roost, I am sure many "newbies" bought those modified and restocked field guns and thought - "Wow- now I have a Model 12 Trap gun- look out Vandalia, here I come"--I have several post 1935 12 gauge Model 12 buttstocks and also 18 ring forearms in my "parts boxes, also older logo and non-logo repro 12 gauge black bakelite buttplates-the 16 and 20 and 28- all on the same size receiver, take the same stock configuration. The magnitude of this sale is appreciated when you realize how few of the special 10- and 12-gauge magnum double guns were sold. Charles Askins confirmed the tighter patterns and greater effective range in the field. But for some reason, buying a gun online can Most everything can be easily bought online these days. The Model 12 duck gun came to market at the all-time low point of duck populations in the United States. Mar 24, 2023 Winchester Model 12 Shotgun $150 Mar 24, 2023 Two Winchester Pump Shotguns $150 Mar 24, 2023 L.C. Thats like spending 12 days straight day and night. When it was. Mechanically, the Model 12 duck gun differs little in design from the standard Model 12. Beautifully figured wood is solid with only light handling marks and marks on bo, This Winchester Model 12 started life in 1924 and has been customized by unknown individual at some point. The Olins used the Western ammunition plant at East Alton, Illinois, as collateral for borrowing about four million in cash, no small feat in the fall of 1931. But the charm of idle jump-shooting is far too potent.. I decided to test the patterning of the five loads detailed in the accompanying table. Regards Chuck. I know the patent date for this rib was 1919. The point is the model 12 evolved. When winchester changed the chamber to 3" did they mark the barrels or reproof? Model 42s with later ribs than the donut post, with no Simmons markings or with Simmons markings, and with proof marks in the proper places are thought to have had their ribs installed at Simmons and sent back to Winchester for marketing or marketed at Simmons. But getting back to the original question, a Simmons rib does detract from the value of a Model 12 and most people will turn away from them. Model 12 was offered in several different styles: 1. This fine shotgun comes from the factory with a Cutts choke system, Metal surfaces rate near excellent, handling marks to wood. A forum community dedicated to Trap shooting enthusiasts. As good as the Brownings are, Ill just keep my Model 12s from New Haven. S/N 1,589,*** made in 1954. It is general consensus that 10 patterns are required for an accurate appraisal of a given load and barrel combination. You jack the shell out and it goes off under your nose. My name is Chuck 620 515 0556. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. Great communications. MAKE OFFER. This gun is in excellent condition and has very desireable solid rib barrel with full choke. Model 12 duck guns are highly specialized tools for a very limited number of duck hunters who can regularly center a duck at 40-60 yards, and need to. I am still going with "Winchester sent Model 12s to Simmons for ribs, but Simmons sold them." However, killing ducks at long range remained the objective of many duck hunters. As to price, it will also depend on gauge, barrel length, choke, barrel steel, wood type, pad vs. plate, etc. No. says Madis. Length of pull is 14". The 30" heavy barrel is proof stamped "WINCHESTER TRADE MARK MADE IN THE U.S.A."; "-MODEL 12 - 12 GA. - FULL"; "WINCHESTER PROOF STEEL"; "FOR SUPER SPEED & SUPER - X 3 IN.". Bob Hinman, in his 1972 GUN DIGEST article Ten Cents a Duck, notes that Shooting for the market was at one time a way of life for thousands of Americas skilled shotgunners.. RIAC believes that this website is accessible to the widest possible audience pursuant to the guidelines of the Americans with Disability Act. Looks to me a bit like the raised rib on a Lutjic one barrel trap gun- and the 870- well, Rudy Etchen shot a 12 gauge 870 Trap Grade he got new in 1950-I'd like to have a C-note for every clay bird, box pigeon and game bird he shattered with that old Remmie- I could move in next to Bill Gates- or maybe his gardener!! I RATE THE BLUING AT 98% AND THE WOOD AT 96+%. 1 9-16" DAC, 1 9-16" DAH, 14 1/2, Very good plus overall condition.