February 15, 2020 at 4:10 PM @ Anonymous LMFAO ! In 1885, the yard moved further west to its present site and was reorganised as the Fairfield Shipbuilding and Engineering Company Ltd. But then officers were based in a more forbidding Victorian building about a mile away in Orkney Street. Rather than go on strike, which was the traditional form of industrial action, the union leadership of the yards decided to have a work-in and complete the orders that the shipyards had in place. We left Govan when I was two, then lived for five years in Markinch before moving on to Kelty, Cowdenbeath, Armadale, and Rushden down in England. We lived directly opposite the Steamie and I vividly recall playing "ball" against the red brick wall for hours. The City of Woodinville's Mayor Mike Millan cut the ribbon to mark the occasion. It was my first Saturday job and I worked there for about a year until the very day when it closed, which I think was in June 1972. [32][33] The shipbuilding operations became BAE Systems Marine, which subsequently became part of BVT Surface Fleet, a naval shipbuilding joint venture between BAE Systems and VT Group, which became BAE Systems Surface Ships in 2009. [27], In 1971, Upper Clyde Shipbuilders went into receivership and the Conservative government led by Edward Heath refused to give them a 6,000,000 loan. One flat was chosen in Wine Alley and a second across the road in a collection of tower blocks called Iona Court. I lived across from Fairfield shipyard and I saw ship being launched when l was about four, I saw Harry Lauder embark from a ship and he was the first person who told me I was a bonnie wee lass. [42] The ships were built by the following companies: Robert Napier & Company, Randolph Elder & Company, Dobbie Hedderwick & Co., Dobie & Company, Mackie & Thomson, Smith & Rodgers, London & Glasgow Engineering and Iron Shipbuilding Co. Ltd., William Beardmore & Company, John Elder & Company, Fairfield Shipbuilding & Eng. I was born In Cowie Street, Kinning Park and as Pauline noted earlier there was indeed a pub on it's corner called Grants Bar. 6 Markus, 1993, p. 163 The two men, working for up to 18 hours at a time, had to be smuggled out before dawn each day. Has it always been a democratic, progressive authority and, is it so today? In fact, the idea was publicly abused in the first of the two SEU documents above. The locals in Govan fear that gentrification is making its way in, in the face of community objections.15 . The Bookies, Archie and Peter Logan ran their Book from the back court. on our backs to the midden motor outside the closes or houses where we worked. The idea behind the hotel was to employ local people and to draw in money to the area. The newlyweds got engaged in April 2018 after dating for three years and were forced to delay their wedding last April due to the coronavirus pandemic. 110m Govan Road Campus . Small things eh? Yup I'll always be from Govan even though we lived a bus ride with the messages away from it in Shieldhall, that was situated near to the 50 pitches, I remember well my Dad and me watching the shipyards football competitions. Such developments benefit the aesthetic and connective appeal of the Govan area for future visitors. Drug and alcohol abuse was a widespread problem and unemployment stood at 30% - three times the national average. Within it and its roughly circular churchyard is one of the finest collections of Early Christian stones in the United Kingdom, known as the Govan Stones, dating from the c.9th to 11th centuries. Was never out your streets up the fighting lol Peg & the Fleet pussies,Possil Border kicked your assesmany times. the 550 tenancies available, only 33 (16%) were identifiably from Govan itself. However, there is the potential for tourism development, for example, the planned development of the Govan Old site, which hosts the historically significant stone carvings, has led to the development of the surrounding townscape and new infrastructure. He had a kilt on and a curly walking stick. I was born in Govan in 1942 and lived in Elder Stree before moving to 15 Water Row above the bakers James Jack & Sons, my father worked there for 56 years. My dad was taken in to see the wee boy, turns out it was me. I am looking for the name of a barbers shop that was on Langlands Road at Helen street end. Added to these miseries, Damer also found that drug Two associated Christian burials are radiocarbon dated to the 5th or 6th centuries, making Govan the earliest known Christian site in the region. Next thing, I found myself lying on the ground. It may have been used to contain the body or relics of St. Constantine, a Pictish king killed seemingly killed by Vikings in 876/7 - the style of carving indicates an origin in the late 9th or early 10th century. The above digital stories were made by members of Govan Reminiscence Group for the Heritage Lottery funded Britain From Above Community Project in Govan, Glasgow, during Spring 2014. I was born in Neptune Street, Govan in 1947, my father was Paddy Kelly and my mother Annie, my elder brother was Dick and my younger brother Brian. Nu acum. Create New Account. The authorities plan for the scheme started going wrong when they decided (without consulting the locals who lived in Govan) to house it mainly with outsiders or people who came from areas other than Govan. In 1901 Govan was the 7th largest town in Scotland. On the other hand, a government that takes no heed of the community at large fails also. Men and Boys by Hugh Cavanagh. Police Scotland. I attended Harmony Row School and Hills Trust Primary. My mother was born at 68 Harmony Row in 1924, when she was about 10 she was sent to Dand's Drapers on Langlands Road to buy thread for a neighbour and got her finger caught in the door which resulted in losing the tip of it which gave her years of pain, on a lighter note on the subway to hospital she had to pace up and down with pain which resulted in her leaving the subway with her pockets jingling. Media/news company. I remember a little dog who was hit by a car and people brought him straight in to us. My Granny lived at 60 Greenfield Street next to Mrs Knox's wee shop. I'm thinking I never whined at them again. My Mother took me to the Southern and a giant black man came in. This company continued until 1965, when it filed for bankruptcy. USA. Interest. This facilitated the development of shipbuilding as a major industry. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. From terrace proud to alley base I know thee as my mother's face. Glasgow Braendam Link, aims to support, empower and enable all those involved in the partnership to gain more control of their lives by encouraging self-belief, growth and development. The origins of the Doomster Hill are a mystery. The church, situated at the west end of the village of Govan, and about 100 yards from the Clyde, was built in 1826, and is a plain structure containing 1096 sittings: the . And Linda Paterson, I knew your dad Geordie Paterson, and I think he had a brother Willie. Lots of memories too many to say here. Our children and grandchildren have been back many times as well. I'm sure many of these places will have been demolished or renamed but it would be great to hear from anyone who knows of the family or can provide any more details. I remember living in a single end tenement (1950's) at 77 Nethan Street and the excitement on a Saturday morning when the man delivered the coal in our bunker which was right next to our bed. 99m New Cafe India Govan . Darners later thoughts on a solution to the schemes problems were that it could be found in Community Planning for, as he says, members of the underclass are not helpless and passive victims of structural circumstances. I loved Govan how all the woman watched as we played there was always an adult around and if they were not outside you knew exactly where to find them sitting in a house having a cup of tea great great days I wish we had lived in Govan longer than my 5 years but we always had many visits back to see relies and old neighbours. Not Now. This latter kingdom, established in the aftermath of the Viking siege and capture of Alt Clut by Vikings from Dublin in AD 870, created the sandstone sculptures known today as the Govan Stones. Robert sadly passed away when he was 2 and then my dad James was born in 1960. approached in flavour to wine. Sources I went to St Anthony's then St Gerard's and was there at the same time as Billy Connolly though he is a year older than me. 2 Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. Henry (Harry) Knop was born in Govan in 1902, he married Susan Bowie in 1924, they had at least 5 children; Harriet, Frederick, Arthur, Helen and Henry, Harry Knop died in 1976. The first, Moorepark Grounds, was situated to the north of the mansion from the early 1900s and made way for the housing development;[12] the second (New Moore Park, opened in 1929) was to the south-west of the neighbourhood off Edmiston Drive[12] and had fallen into some disrepair before being replaced by a business park at the turn of the 21st century, with the club moving to new facilities at Shieldhall after some years of uncertainty.[13][14]. The writer on housing problems, T. A. Markus, wondered why many important questions were never asked in the planning process. He was lim, dark-haired and kind, probably in his 30s. 4 Markus, 1993, p. 161 Pauline Belkadi: Thanks for the name of the shop 'Bobby's'. It closed permanently to regular passenger services on 9 May 1921. My Aunt Marg and Cousin Debbie still live in Govan. It is now an industrial estate . I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. For about a decade that shop stood empty and it broke my heart. [14] in 1901 the Burgh boundaries increased further west to include Linthouse and West Drumoyne. 114m Nailsby Taylor . Glasgow Crime Stories: The drug nightmare of Wine Alley (Image: Newsquest) Govan covers a huge part of Glasgow's Southside and is famous the world over for its ship building and football team. I went undercover on the 'Wine Alley' to tackle drug problem Ex-undercover police officer Simon McLean has written about his experience tackling Glasgow's drug problem during the 80s. Jimmy's was our local shop and Ruby's was out local bakery which fed the Fairfield's workers. Beforesentencing, judge Lord Caplan told Burnside: ''You have been a significant dealer in a dreadful trade and the courts have seen the havoc it causes among young persons. Other Sundays maybe Helen and I would visit the graves of our mothers at Cardonald Cemetery (her mother died when she was 5). Mum married and moved to Whiteinch as a child and I remember going across on the ferry to Govan, Anyone recall my mum? We do not pre-moderate or monitor readers comments appearing on our websites, but we do post-moderate in response to complaints we receive or otherwise when a potential problem comes to our attention. Thus, the major failing of any community planning is its inability to understand this relationship between the community and authority in detail and in an objective manner. I was born in Broomloan Road Ibrox in Govan in 1958. Anyone remember the prego cafe and who ran it? My grandmother's name was Mary Murray she had eight children one being my mother Helen who was born in 1927. 15 Saturday Home, 2005, p. 20 16Vindicated1, 2005, p. 1-2, Acknowledgements [20], Traditionally viewed as a lower working-class area, Govan has typically supported the Labour Party, but the Scottish National Party (SNP) has also been strong there. ), the street was a dead end because a school had burnt down. When in trouble the Govanites all come together. Now home to a business park, the Wineywas a working class scheme designed by urban planners with little to no regard for those cut from the labouring class cloth. Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder. My Gran Haggerty lived in 3 Helen Street Govan (above the CO OP). The wine in the Wine Alley nickname was not expensive red and whites like Beaujolais and merlot. Encouraging families to participate in the community and to use local facilities and services Ensuring that the voice of those living in poverty is heard I still have a picture in my mind of your father Guido, a very handsome man. Govan Old Parish Church was rebuilt in 1762, 1826, and again 1884-1888. ; Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. The Wine Alley is a boutique wine shop specializing in fine wines from the Pacific NW and Around the world! He was able to give police precise details of the drug operation Burnside was running and the names of his associates. One summer, I walked to the steamie and managed to get some photos of it. Naturally the slum dwellers of Govan, who though it their right to have most of the new house in their own locality, were angry and outraged at their expectations being ignored by the authorities. This article is about the district in Glasgow. Sergeant Angus McIvor and constable Bob McDonald were the two cops who had bravely filmed the gang operating from one of the empty flats. I used to go there with my Mum to Woolworths, they had shoe shops and everything you wanted. Thanks in advance :). In this way they dispelled the idea of the workers being "work-shy" and also wanted to illustrate the long-term viability of the yards. Don't think I enjoyed my time at Govan High, who did but I remember the english teacher Johnny Duncan, Jock Reiburn (maths), who was strict but gave me a good basic knowledge of algebra which stood me in good stead for my future in engineering. I was born in 1952 and lived in Golspie St until I was 10 when we moved to Garthamlock. Maureen Doyle was my name then. Owned by Harry Knop in the 40s. Skater Girl. My parents lived at 49 Nethan Street and I was born at the Southern General in 1939. Portrait of a Lady by Esme Clark. The SNP won another by-election victory in 1988, this time with Jim Sillars as candidate. One day in the Summer, off we went to the Steamie, everybody went in, my Cousin and I stayed outside. It seemed a dangerous idea but worth the risk if they could dent a hole in a major heroin dealing operation. Later that year Burnside was handed a 12-year prison sentence at the High Court in Glasgow following an 18-day trial, while his three associates got terms of between five and seven years. [7] It is now kept inside the church, as part of the Govan Stones museum collection. As I recall they sold very trendy tops marketed as Trendy. The planning process commonly involves the juggling of conflicting interests in such a fashion that it is agreeable to all interested parties at least, no one side has to sacrifice itself unjustly. It is in this context that he placed the above paragraph at the very forefront of his book From Moorepark to Wine Alley, The rise and fall of a Glasgow housing scheme, and it is also for the same reasons that this section of the Braendam Link Report investigates housing (especially in Glasgow), its problems, and how they could be solved by community planning. 103m Big Mouth . Otherwise, unless there is agreement between authority and community, issues like social segregation will never go away unless something is done is because the housing system (and the way it operates) encourages the separation of the rich and the poor. Not a penny in our pockets other than the price of admission to the pictures on a Saturday afternoon and some extra for some sweeties, I remember my grandmother used to give Helen my sweetie coupons from the back of the Ration Book, as she had such a sweet tooth that she would have ate her way through February and March coupons even though it was only January and stores knew we were still going to be rationed for some time to come (I didn't have a sweet tooth so always had coupons to spare). He wanted to discover how and why such places came into being and to see if remedies could be found. Town officials arranged for the deepening of the Clyde in 1759, the reclamation of the channels between the islands (The Whyte Inch, The Black Inch, and The King's Inch), and the construction of quays and docks. Used to jump the dykes with my brother Kenneth. [26], Govan's other major shipbuilding firm was founded in the 1860s as: Randolph, Elder and Company, later becoming John Elder and Company. At the time, it was the fifth largest burgh in Scotland and contained within its boundaries, the areas of Plantation, Cessnock, Ibrox, Craigton and Drumoyne. We lived directly opposite the Steamie and I vividly recall playing ball against the red brick wall for hours. who until March 2014 played at Tinto Park (Drumoyne) then moved to the adjacent New Tinto Park. Wine Alley Govan Kids Southern General Hospital On the Clyde Govan Kvaerner/Fairfield Shipyards Govan Shipyards ( Front gate pics ) The Plaza/Vogue Govan Dry Docks Trams in Govan/ Goods Carriers Inside the Lyceum Bingo/Picture Hall Lyceum Projection Room Lyceum Foyer & Balcony Foyer Lyceum Cinema Balcony Inside The Lyceum Govan Baths Harhill or. Providing a family base with a family room in Govan, with weekly meetings in Govan and Easterhouse Providing consistent, non-judgmental support to families and individuals, and home visits to families in crisis I went to Hillstrust School until I was 10 then we moved to Nitshill which I was not so fond of, Govan was a great place to live we were always putting on concerts round the backs and folk would hang out the windows to watch the performance there was always stuff going on or buss-runs that our streets would organise and the Govan Fair, Govanites were great. They thanked him for the work they had done in cleaning up Wine Alley and bringing Burnsides two-year reign of terror to an end. Hi there, just wondering if anyone has any info or stories on the Slaters, Mckechnies or Hutchisons, hope to hear back. My granny Flora McFadyen was one of the oldest and longest residents in the Wine Alley. Introduction In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. Anyway gabgabgab, lots more if anyone is interested. I went about with Harry Bitters, Nick Shearer and John McLeod in the mad days of the early 70s. Community organisation. [31] GEC's Marconi Marine division already owned YSL (purchased in 1985) and VSEL (purchased in 1995). Glorious Govan. In particular, urban communities are increasingly constrained by both local and governmental authorities, and also by outside economic factors, which can and do prohibit perceived changes for the better. From 1815 onwards, a total of 67 men and four women were hanged at the Glasgow Green site, which was once known as Jail Square. I remember the baths and went there every Friday, I also remember playing in the street and when the coalman came my mum and I would follow him with a pram and pick up any coal that fell of the lorry. At the time DS Jackson said: These two cops were the real heroes and were at high risk. For (as he says) members of the so-called underclass are not helpless and passive victims of structural circumstances, and that by becoming involved in social, political and economical activities, the community of any area can organise themselves in such a fashion as to understand that community, or collective power, is real.1 However, the dealers were less careful back in Wine Alley where they thought they were untouchable. Svisiace strnky. 11 a.m.-8 p.m. Monday . Someone took me to the Orkney Street Police Station. In Great Britain, community planning has evolved and not only has it kept its identity, but it has also retained its application as a primary vehicle through which social change is enacted at a local level, by members of the community acting together to improve the lifestyle of the group as a whole. George and Mary Breslin's, 2 boys (Raymond and Michael), William & Margaret Gallagher's boy and girl (Charles and Maureen) and John & Annie Mc Culloch's 2 girls and 1 boy ( Elizabeth, Mary and John) which was us. Saturday afternoons were for the matinees at one of the four movie halls; Lyceum, Plaza, Elder and Vogue. The police discovered an empty flat on the eighth floor which would give them a birds eye view of the entrance to Burnsides tenement flat close. Drumoyne primary it was, a year after my big brother Robert started (about 53) then on to Govan High School, that was the one which caught fire when I was due to sit my O levels (no excuses). Contact. In its turn, this attitude helped create the malignant tales about people who lived there as being nothing but thieves, layabouts and drunks. Therefore, the purpose of this Reflection is to make a contribution to the discussions on community planning and have the thoughts of people who have lived through other A later rebuilding was begun in 1884 and was opened 19 May 1888.[11][45]. A similar uncertainty existed regarding the nearby lands of Pollokshields and Westends. Sources I believe that the buiding was demolished due to a structural problem that would not be able to be easily remedied. I learned to play tennis in the Elder Park which stood by me for I played the game for the next 60 years wherever I landed. Great memories. I try and tell my grandkids what a fanfastic place it was to grow up, no money but lots of pals and never bored. contact the editor here. Somehow the government cannot understand that external improvements can only benefit any dilapidated area by not only improving its external image but also by giving the local residents a sense of Well-Being. Linthouse and Parkgrove were 19th century senior sides, who fell into decline and are now defunct. [10], Not much is known about any medieval village that may have surrounded the church until 1454 when it is recorded that whole houses, barns and mills in the village were brought down by a great flood. The Govan of my parents had gone, the works and the jobs and the people they spoke about had all gone. Charlotte was a sweet pup who eagerly posed for a pic. We used to listen to all the records being played from Munleys on a Saturday morning. Zobrazi viac od Sunny Govan Memories na Facebooku. I lived at 2 Luath Street in Govan with my Mum and Dad - Cathie and Ronnie Johnston. Helen Dunlop and I have kept in touch all these years, she is only one month younger than me and lived across the street, therefore we have known each other all of our lives. Lived there all the way through the 70's until we moved to Cardonald in 1980. The Burnside gang were found with 150,000 in heroin and a large sum in cash. Reply. If there is anyone out there that remembers me please contact me :). Govan was thriving in those days. It meant that the police had two key surveillance points, one in Wine Alley itself and a second from the high-rise. We all went to Harmony Row school because that was where our mother went and she wanted us to have the same teachers she had, and there were a few left from when she attended there. She had 3 boys Alex, Willie and Robert. I was born in 1950 and brought up in Govan in the Moorepark housing estate or the Wine Alley, as it was commonly known. There was a milk depot (Cuthbertson's Dairy) at the bottom of the street where we used to go and if we were lucky they would let us feed the horses, those were the days, how I loved going to the Plaza every Saturday morning to the ABC minors and when it was our birthday we got to go up on the stage and everyone sang to us.
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